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Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

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Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have been attempting to streamline the figure skating national championship articles lately so they all appear uniform. The Ukrainian article has been fully audited and verified to sources. I have gone through and personally verified every entry. I believe I have properly formatted all of the sources in a uniform style. (This was an issue with my previous nomination a while back.) If anyone can suggest a bot or an automated method to archive the sources, please let me know. All of the tables are properly formatted and meet Wikipedia's MOS requirements. While I have made strong headway on many countries' respective articles, the Ukrainian article is one of only two which are fully complete and sourced through the present day (the other, BTW, is Estonia). Additionally, due to the current situation in Ukraine, I believe this subject may be of heightened interest. Please let me know if there are any questions or concerns, or if you have any suggestions on how to improve this article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey man im josh

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  • Why do you include red links sometimes and not others? I'm fine with red links, but I find the inconsistecy confusing, even when it's the same name. One example of this is the senior men's singles table, in which Andrey Kokura is linked in 2020 but not in 2019.
    •  Done Personally, I remove any redlinks older than, say, five years, because the chances of them being developed into a Wikipedia article at that point are slim. More recent competitors still might develop a body of work to justify an article. I can see why that might be confusing if the same name is blacklinked in one cell and redlinked in another; I'll fix that. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:32, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I haven't dug into it in depth, but for pair events, is the woman always meant to be listed first? Just checking that this is the norm, as that seems to be what I'm seeing and I wanted to verify this is intentional before trying to spot instances when this didn't happen.
    •  Done The standard is to list the female partner's name first. Now, some countries like Canada have changed their rules to allow for same-gendered partnerships, but that does not extend to international events, and considering the snail's pace at which the International Skating Union evolves, this is not a bridge we will need to cross any time soon... Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:32, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was there no senior pairs event in 2023? I'd suggest a row in the table to indicate it wasn't held if that's the case
    •  Done See below.
  • No senior ice dance in 2023/2024? Why?
    •  Done I don't know why. Pairs is the least contested event worldwide, as you can see from the table. I have added gray strips indicating that there were no competitors in those events. Unfortunately, official results coming out of the Ukraine for the last few years have been sketchy at best owing to the current state of what's going on over there right now. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:38, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • No junior events in 2006, 2007, and 2014? It would be good to call this out, possibly above all 4 junior medalists tables with an explanation so you don't need to repeat the information. I do think a row indicating it wasn't held would also be helpful for these.
    •  Done I'd already addressed 2014 below, but there apparently weren't junior championships in 2006 or 2007 either based on their absence from the event calendars. I also checked other FS sources (Tracings, The Figure Skating Corner, Skating Scores), and they have no indication of junior events, so I've added a gray strip like I did with 2014. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:24, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • No junior pairs or ice dance event in 2023?
  • Was the 2014 Ukrainian Open meant to be a senior or junior event? Could help to clarify this.
    •  Done Okay, the 2014 Ukrainian Open was a senior-only event. It also doubled as the Ukrainian National Championships that year. There apparently were no junior championships that year, as evidenced by its absence on the event calendar for that year. I have clarified the prose ahead of the 2014 Ukrainian Open section at the bottom, as well as used two sets of sources: one which included all international competitors for the Ukrainian Open, and one which included only the Ukrainian competitors for the Nationals. I believe this is now more clear. I have also added a gray strip to the junior tables clarifying that there were no 2014 championships. The Why? will have to remain a mystery. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article currently lacks significant coverage, not that I doubt its notability, but it does need some
  • Can sources be added to the lead?
  • I think renaming the senior/junior medalists sections to senior/junior championships could be a better descriptor
    •  Done Senior/Junior medalists is the standard for all figure skating event articles. Besides, while there are three medalists for each discipline, there is only one champion. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:32, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think tables being renamed to something like "Senior men's event medalists" instead of "Ukrainian medalists (senior men)" would be an improvement. It's implied they're Ukranian based on the subject of the article, except for the section which highlights it's not strictly Ukrainians.

That's what I have for now. Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:52, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pinging Hey man im josh. I believe I have addressed all of your concerns. Totally unrelated, the link to the Ukrainian Figure Skating Federation at the bottom of the article is showing that I am blocked. Is everyone unable to access the site, or is it just me? I'm guessing the former. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:56, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good improvements @Bgsu98, but can you add a reference for the entries that mention there were simply no competitors, as opposed to the event itself not being held? For the junior championship events I like what you did, which includes a reference. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Hey man im josh, I did that for the junior events, but the 2023 and 2024 senior events lack an overall score posting as had been typical for the other seasons, and all we have are the individual score sheets, which are posted by discipline. So, I can't post what's not there, if that makes any sense. It's all part of the difficulty in hosting the events given the current situation.
      Skate Ukraine does not have the results for the senior championships for either 2023 or 2024. I will try to go through the UFSF website when I get home, but not being able to speak Ukrainian (or any Cyrillic language, for that matter), this might be difficult. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Hey man im josh, I've gone through the UFSF website, and I cannot source to something that's not there. The drop-down menu lists Men's, Women's, and Pairs results for 2024, but no Ice Dance. Sadly, they do not have the results all tabulated and posted in one handy spot. As for 2023, we are stuck with just the one posting that is already linked as the source, as it refers only to the men's and women's entrants. I can maybe see using that as a source to prove that there were no pairs or dance entrants, but that seems disingenuous. I don't know what else to tell you. Let me know! Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edited to add: I did find a source which referenced the 2024 championships and specifically stated that Ukraine's dance team (who trains in Canada) did not make the trip to compete. I also added the 2023 source to the pairs and dance rows for 2023; it's not great, but it's what I have. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:54, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TheDoctorWho

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I can't say I know much about this topic, but the nominator reached out to me looking for additional reviews. My review will remain neutral however, as I have no personal stake or attachment to this list. This review also includes a few comments on references but is not meant to take the place of a full source review.

  • Is "2014 Ukrainian Open" actually a redirect to this article? If not I'm assuming it shouldn't be bolded in either location, but I don't see why a redirect would hurt. If one is created, it should only be bold in the lead or its specific section per MOS:BOLDREDIRECT.
  • Ukraine were obviously disrupted - "obviously" feels a little less neutral to me, almost like you may be talking down to the reader. The sentence doesn't loose any meaning with this word removed.
  • Newsweek sources post-2013 aren't considered reliable, so ref 67 should be replaced (WP:NEWSWEEK).
  • I noticed some references switch between title and sentence case, no preference on which is used, but it should be consistent. This script should help with that.
  • I also noticed at least two incorrectly formatted dates. There's also a script for this.
  • The "See also" section should come before the "External links" section per MOS:ORDER.

I know it's not much, but I hope this review is helpful. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:48, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 22:02, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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